tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10217302.post4618969572887587648..comments2024-03-21T03:45:48.679-05:00Comments on Enter the Rainbow: How You Doin'?Andy B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/05944614269873479581noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10217302.post-53814275905357793962007-07-06T11:47:00.000-05:002007-07-06T11:47:00.000-05:00But a cloud is ordered and complex. I agree that c...But a cloud is ordered and complex. I agree that church shouldn't be like a business or some rigid org. chart. But again, when we sit down and figure out how to "do church" what do you end up with besides an organization? You can call it something else or intellectually frame it differently but at the end of the day a congregation that has reached critical mass has got to have people in charge.Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07874012298542994380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10217302.post-73761741162992827202007-07-03T17:12:00.000-05:002007-07-03T17:12:00.000-05:00Very cool! I must remember that for my new appoin...Very cool! I must remember that for my new appointment. In just a few days, I will be at General Conference for the Free Methodist Church of NA and find it a huge relief not to have to answer such a question since I am between churches.Pastor Robertahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00875595069653814770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10217302.post-30374921661855786322007-07-03T16:45:00.000-05:002007-07-03T16:45:00.000-05:00Rob Bell, in a sermon series he did recently, aske...Rob Bell, in a sermon series he did recently, asked, "Would it make any difference if our church disappeared? (from this community?)" he asked in response to their congregation's mission-- to make a difference to the poor and hurting in their community. I'd love for my congregation to be able to answer that question with the challenge to make a difference in the community rather than what needs to be reported on the tables 1-3.<BR/>Interesting post...thanks....RevErikaGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14752848060824267704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10217302.post-78392417732587457492007-07-03T11:24:00.000-05:002007-07-03T11:24:00.000-05:00Re: structure.I'm reminded of something Robert Mar...Re: structure.<BR/>I'm reminded of something Robert Martin said recently - "A cloud has structure." As in, structure does not equal rigidity. I like it!Andy B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05944614269873479581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10217302.post-4358987380003827812007-07-03T10:43:00.000-05:002007-07-03T10:43:00.000-05:00I guess to me it is all about a balance of vision/...I guess to me it is all about a balance of vision/more abstract things with strategy/more concrete things. <BR/><BR/>Because if the staff/lay leaders of the church just got together and had a conversation, that's cool but who cares unless something comes from it? <BR/><BR/>I guess the question is how do we "do" church as you say? I think the answer lies in reigning in "programming" and focusing on discipleship- which I believe you CAN measure and it's not necessarily a bad thing.<BR/><BR/>I agree that we need to go easy on all the budgets and line items and various "statements" of mission or vision or beliefs sometimes and just go out and do it. But without structure we'll just be willy nilly and the work needing to be done suffers.<BR/><BR/>Good post!Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07874012298542994380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10217302.post-37023169644423527052007-07-03T08:16:00.000-05:002007-07-03T08:16:00.000-05:00I have been asked this many times in the last year...I have been asked this many times in the last year and just in the last month because of all the comings and goings of ministers in our church---my answer the last 2 months and now is<BR/><BR/>Well, guess we are ok because no minister left or no minister was moved.<BR/><BR/>That has stopped the rest of the questions for the time being.<BR/><BR/>We have had 4 senior pastors in the since 2000 2000 -2002<BR/><BR/>2002-2004 2004-2006 and now one that has been year a year <BR/><BR/>People, even in the community, are always interested in these comings and goings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10217302.post-31127734013257152062007-07-03T02:06:00.000-05:002007-07-03T02:06:00.000-05:00The 'Church as a business' blueprint has failed so...The 'Church as a business' blueprint has failed so often and so completely that I wonder why we continue with it... I sometimes wonder why I get stuck in that mentality too.Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528001127103773045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10217302.post-41487599051310263452007-07-02T23:24:00.000-05:002007-07-02T23:24:00.000-05:00Amen Andy, preach it brother! :)"moderately neato"...Amen Andy, preach it brother! :)<BR/><BR/>"moderately neato"<BR/>~Lucas~Lucas Parryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08930908210916835013noreply@blogger.com