tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10217302.post5924788214596469365..comments2024-03-21T03:45:48.679-05:00Comments on Enter the Rainbow: Missouri United Methodist Camps - Potential CompromiseAndy B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/05944614269873479581noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10217302.post-16688095771529713412015-06-04T09:26:06.021-05:002015-06-04T09:26:06.021-05:00I would like to add 2 things to this discussion:
I...I would like to add 2 things to this discussion:<br />I am a board member of the Jo-Ota Methodist Association and have done much of the work writing our operational plan and budget. These documents can be found at www.campjo-ota.org. <br />1.) Funding: we have the support of 51 churches in our area. These churches have all pledged an initial $50 for advertising and promotion of our petition. They have all indicated that when the camp is "sold" to us they will continue to give as part of their annual budget for missional giving. Jo-Ota also receives proceeds from a trust that was set up a number of years ago. The average amount of that trust is $31,000 per year. Individuals that will become a part of the association will pay yearly dues that will also help run the camp. Furthermore, we intend to add endowed funds to bolster our budget for years to come. <br /><br />2.) Sale price: we have been told by the CFA that they can not recommend an affirmative vote for our petition because of the sale price figure of $1. CFA and the Camp Board are counting on sale proceeds to fund the new direction for camping. If these funds are not available they have told us they would need to raise apportionments. This would be resisted by many. The big issue our association has with this information is that the current rented sites are all south of I-70 and very few alternatives exist north of I-70. If Jo-Ota is sold our people will not have access to camping and retreats. This is sad. <br /><br />I hope this helps.Rev. Carl Knaphttp://www.campjo-ota.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10217302.post-79316671748234649012015-06-04T08:49:31.345-05:002015-06-04T08:49:31.345-05:00Andy, I am in a similar position as you. I do back...Andy, I am in a similar position as you. I do back the SaveMOCamps resolution which should give Galilee & Blue Mountain a chance to try to form similar boards. The Wilderness and JoOta proposals are my second favorite options. Right now the conference camping program is renting camp sites around the southern part of the state. Wilderness and JoOta will be able to enter the same market place that all these other camps participate in. Their resolution also state that the properties go back to the Annual Conference if the cease to exist. I see these as Win-Win proposals.<br /><br />I like much of what the camping board proposed and will be going to camp next Monday. I think the mobile camps are fantastic! I suspect we need an appology tour and then move on to an exciting - more effecient - better quality, era.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11387893164278799875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10217302.post-89496381619498094622015-06-03T21:45:16.194-05:002015-06-03T21:45:16.194-05:00I favor the resolution presented by saveMOUMCamps....I favor the resolution presented by saveMOUMCamps. One of several reason is that if the camps are,sold now, it will be too late to do anything else. If we keep the camps and do a feasability study, all options will still be on the table. Hopefully the group doing the feasability study can present a well researched and well reasoned proposal that can be supported by a much greater consensus than exists in the current situation.Tom Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10217302.post-15868519977096321102015-06-03T21:33:48.414-05:002015-06-03T21:33:48.414-05:00Andy, I do not see the MOUMCamps option as a probl...Andy, I do not see the MOUMCamps option as a problem, I believe those that want to direct a camp, would prefer to be at our own facilities, not at locations that we do not have control over. There are so many camps that were not offered this year because the camp directors were not comfortable with the locations that were being offered. I believe the camps could be up and running in no time, being available for not only summer camps, but the many retreat groups that loved our locations, which the conference has totally disregarded in their consideration. I an anxious to have this decision made, I just hope the people of the UMC are at least given a chance to provide solutions to many of the concerns that have been presented. I am praying for a Win-Win for all!! See you soon!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04793604764168294597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10217302.post-87302689580054627072015-06-03T21:30:28.700-05:002015-06-03T21:30:28.700-05:00I believe the problem can be resolved more easily....I believe the problem can be resolved more easily. Replace the board with officers more in tune with the desires and needs of the membership of the church. Only a board truly out of touch with the general membership could possibly have created the current situation.Andrew Kerberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300287370333116368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10217302.post-58749996619662080432015-06-03T20:59:04.622-05:002015-06-03T20:59:04.622-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Andy B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12069656553871499994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10217302.post-91381868930725922922015-06-03T20:59:03.716-05:002015-06-03T20:59:03.716-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Andy B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12069656553871499994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10217302.post-71769106378628673512015-06-03T20:58:53.102-05:002015-06-03T20:58:53.102-05:00I don't think so Steve. I wouldn't see the...I don't think so Steve. I wouldn't see the groups as competitors, just as I don't see other congregations or denominations as such. Andy B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12069656553871499994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10217302.post-20696090558734504862015-06-03T20:42:29.092-05:002015-06-03T20:42:29.092-05:00Hi, Andy. Like you, I am anxious as Conference dra...Hi, Andy. Like you, I am anxious as Conference draws near, and I am praying that we can gather in love and listen to one another with open minds (myself included). While I do not subscribe to the following argument, it does not seem unreasonable to me:<br />"Is the Conference not shooting itself in the foot twice? First, by selling the properties below market value; second, by creating organizations that will be direct competitors in the camping market? While the Conference doesn't want to own camp property, it does want to have a camping program. While the camp sales "aren't about money," surely that argument has realistic financial limits."Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05795251112447985170noreply@blogger.com