Friday, September 07, 2007


Sometimes it's just not easy.

Take Luke 14:25-33, for instance. How many of us have spent hours wrestling with Jesus words, "Whoever comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and even life itself, cannot be my disciple"? I sure have. Surely Jesus didn't really mean that, did he? What's this we read about having to "carry the cross," now? And surely there must be some metaphorical nuance to his admonition, "...none of you can become my disciple if you do not give up all your possessions."

I mean, he's not serious, is he?

As my Bible study class wrestled with this one last Wednesday evening, one thing we all realized was how important it is to make a distinction between discipleship and salvation. The passage from Luke and other similar passages in the Gospels (for example Matthew 10:37-39, Mark 8:34-35) are about the decision to become a disiple of Jesus, a follower of the way. They are not so much about salvation, which precedes discipleship both temporally and spiritually.

It is helpful for me to think of it this way - there's nothing wrong with being in the crowd, but we need to know that there is a-whole-nother level of faith. That next level involves deciding to step out of the crowd and live a completely different life patterned after the example and teachings of Jesus. The first sentence of the lesson reads, "Now large crowds were travelling with him; and he turned and said to them..." Jesus doesn't condemn the crowd, but he wants them to know that there's more, he actively invites them to choose that path, and then instructs his disciples to continue extending that invitation on his behalf, even today.

And that whole-nother level of faith that we call discipleship is going to require some pretty radical stuff. It will require that our love increase so much that even the feelings we have now toward our family will seem like hate in comparison. It will require that the life we lead be so abundant, so spirit-filled, so good that the only way to put it into words is to talk about dying to our old life. And it will mean that the only power we will rely upon will be the power of God, breaking the power over us that our possessions hold. (Possessions are more than just "stuff," I think - here we might talk also about our pride, our prejudices, our pretensions, things of this world. That may be a-whole-nother sermon, though.)

The good news is that the entire kit and kaboodle is bathed in grace. At those times when I just want to hang out in the crowd, God's grace is there. At those times when I am most spiritually alive and feel like God is all over the place, grace is there. And at those times when I'm ready to chuck it all, when it feels like God is so far away that I even have trouble believing God's there at all, ... somehow grace is there, too.

It comes down to this. Every one of us is just trying to live the best life we can. Some days we do better at this than others, to be sure. And yes, sometimes its just not easy. The passage from Luke 14 is really an expression of God's fervent desire that all of us would strive to live good lives. God wants us to live lives that are shaped by/grounded in/patterned after the life of Christ Jesus, the one we call Teacher, the one who longs for us to be disciples.


Anonymous said...

In Methodism salvation would include discipleship. Salvation is from birth through death and beyond. It seems you are using the word salvation to mean conversion (or "saved" as the Baptists would say.) Conversion preceeds discipleship. But discipleship is part of our salvation.

I could be completely wrong.


Andy B. said...

I hear you, Scott.
I do not mean to imply that salvation and discipleship are completely divorced from one another, just that they are not one in the same thing.

Shawn Franssens said...

I understand discipleship to include:
going on to perfection
taking on the mind that was in Christ
growing in grace
increasing in love of God and neighbor

I would suggest that discipleship understood this way may be synonymous with the "process" of salvation. A Wesleyan perspective invites us to encourage folks along the "Way of Salvation". We could call this “Way” discipleship.

Perhaps what is being drawn out here is the distinctions between justification and sanctification and our understanding of both as instantaneous event and ongoing process?

Perhaps as an aside, I would like to explore the position: “salvation, which precedes discipleship both temporally and spiritually.”


I again appeal to the Wesleyan “Way of Salvation”. To say we have achieved (perhaps a poor word choice…”been granted” sound better?) salvation apart from our acceptance or awareness or commitment or expression of faith sounds predestinarian. Before we begin the journey we have already arrived? I have a similar problem with the position concerning our spiritual maturity. To grow in maturity is to grow in sanctification (the culminating effect being salvation, not vice versa).

Have I grossly misrepresented your position? I humbly seek correction and/or clarification.